And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of Originally Posted by samplepiece. Google Ad Manager-. Interested in talking about your own game? Gillespie was at times as frightening as Mcgrath.. Extra bounce combined with pace made him difficult to score off from. It's hard to tell perfectly. It can be argued that Gillespie and Kasprowicz fed of Mcgrath and Warne. Gillespie failed to do much when both Mcgrath and Warne were unavailable during Steve Waugh's final series as captain.
Gillespie and Kasprowicz were the main reasons for the loss of the ashes in when Mcgrath was not available for 2 test matches. But those guys would still add massive value to the present one dimensional Australian bowling attack.
Gillespie all the way. Originally Posted by AlphaFighter. Originally Posted by Robert. Damien Fleming was the one with most talent and skills among the three,but injuries finished him. Gillespie was a superb bowler, almost ATG level. By he was finished. Put differently, the only better Asian fast bowlers - ever - were Imran, Wasim and Waqar.
That's how good he was. Originally Posted by Junaids. Fleming would have been a beast if injuires did not derail him equil to Dizzy Kasper was a tier or two below both. Gillesppie was best among them. He just kept coming back and back. Never gave up , fought hard. Matlab Kuch bhi bol do Well obviously. Zaheer averaged 33 with the ball, and the only places he averaged less than 28 were Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.
Gillespie was one of those fellows who got a lot of nicks that didn't carry to skip. Which suggests to me that Healy was a yard too far back to him. I reckon if Healy had moved closer, Gillespie would average 22 in tests and be considered at least an Aussie great.
He was good enough to lead the attack, but was overshadowed by McGrath and Warne. Gillespie is definitely better than the Fleming and Michael. But with big names around him, he was pretty much left in the dark. Avg is not everything. Will you not call him an ATG? Few people think they know everything about cricket From what I see, the periods where his average goes low enough is from when he averaged in the 50s to the end of his career where it got to around The average then is 29, at a SR in the 70s.
Also, though, as SS said, when taking in periods, Imran clearly has the better performances. Overall, he's more balanced too. How come you're so keen to use cumulative for one, but for the other you can cut a period out then? I faile to see either point - Sobers managed to both at the same time as shown by the number of series where he scored runs AND took wickets, something Imran never managed to do even once.
How exactly is a not out and flat wicket-aided 50 with the bat when his bowling took a back seat better than 63 whilst also taking just under 4 wickets a game? Last edited: May 19, His overall career figures are not really important to me. His first 4 and last 13 Tests aren't really relevant given that in the main part 71 games he averaged As a batsman the periods in question are different. Even if you discount his career record which is preposterous Ah, I should have started counting earlier.
But bowling at an average of 27, with a strike rate of 76, isn't great. It is average. It's superb. I've always said Imran was as good as any seamer of the modern era apart from Malcolm Marshall.
Discounting his career record isn't preposterous - I happen to think the fact that he was poor in 4 Tests at the ages of 18 and 21 isn't really important at all and the fact that he had a bit of a tail-off at the end of his career had he not been a batsman of any note he might well have retired after not many of those games doesn't matter much either.
If someone has an extremely lengthy peak and some small bad periods at the start and end Michael Atherton was another the bad bits don't really matter much to me. It's not great, but it's certainly not average either. Especially for a batting-all-rounder. It's pretty reasonable, in fact. Lewis Banned. How many Tests exactly did Imran play as a specialist-bat? What about those 3 years probably in which doctors had advised him not to bowl because of back injury most probably?
Perm said:. Marshall, Hadlee and McGrath are the top two fast bowlers of the modern area and it is very hard to compare them to the older greats like Lohmann, Spofforth and the rest. Imran would be on the next tier I think, alongside guys like Dennis Lillee. Last edited: May 20, I think they are too focused on dunstall vs frawley and most of the show is all about themselves. The Yesterdays Heroes Challenge used to be a genuine contest between the two of them but now its turned into stale entertainment.
I agree that Fleming doesn't add much and gerard wheatley is way too smart to be on this show. Klem Team Captain. Yep its getting predictable with the inane banter and fake fighting between Spud and the Chief. And the joke over the fake new show they are doing spud and flem is getting old and it aint funny.
Yep I agree with this thread. I used to really enjoy the show when it first started but lately they unfortunately seem to be going down the Footy Show path of flogging tired jokes to death rather than focussing on the footy. Redb Club Legend. Are you sure you've watched this show before? Why would they start now? I thought Flem was quite funny as Alastair Lynch. Each to their own. I still love watching it.
Always been boring. Dunstall and Frawley aren't funny, unless of course you find meathead ex-footballers behaving like grade 2 kids funny, in which case this show is hilarious! Yesterdays heroes used to be really funny e. I still reckon Spud is great, but he is struggling a bit this year.
Funniest moment of last year was when they had the footage of the radio announcing that they had won the quaddie. Show hidden low quality content.
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